2009-12-23 -- Draft: How Would You Rate Zendikar Commons?

[blashyrk]

http://www.neutralgrounds.net/index.php/post/index/232

[Miro]

@Taong Gagamba:

Some questions lang pow:

1) How many drafts did you have before you manage to derive  the chart?
2) Is it really the fault of a player if it messes other people's draft?

Thanks!

[icky3499]

@Taong Gagamba:

Some questions lang pow:

1) How many drafts did you have before you manage to derive  the chart?
2) Is it really the fault of a player if it messes other people's draft?

Thanks!

I'd like to answer the 2nd question. 

A player can be responsible for messing up a draft or someone's draft. If a player ignores or fails to read the obvious signals, the whole draft or players next to that player suffer.  The quality of the decks won't be optimized because of wasted picks.  You can't do anything about it but you just have to live with what you got.  It's just frustrating sometimes. 

[En Sabah Nur]

so separate drafts dapat for noobs (like me) and drafting pros? pano gagaling yung mga noobs kung walang gusto makipaglaro sa amin?

[xalwynx]

hindi ba parang strategy din ung messing up someone else's draft?

an underhanded strategy, but it's still strategy nonetheless.

[cmdrjanjalani]

I don't agree with some of the picks especially for Blue and Green.

Spell Pierce is higher pick than Into the Roil, Kraken Hatchling and Sky-Ruin Drake? Really? Spell Pierce is very poor in Limited. I think you also overrate Windrider Eel. It's a good card, but not always compared to Umara Raptor which can work great in Ally decks and is amazing for its cost. Windrider Eel makes a poor defensive crature so your blue-based deck has to be aggro for him to be good.

I lost interest in the green picks when you rated Scythe Tiger higher than well, practically almost every other good green card there. You seem to be biased on the Gladeheart abuse cards (KHE, Harrow) when there are times you simply want to aggro. Timbermaw Larva is amazing when your deck has green as its major color. Nissa Chosen is also excellent as the magic toughness of creatures in Limited is 3. That is one major reason why Vampire Nighthawk is so amazing in Limited. Scythe Tiger sucks ass. So what if he has shroud? I don't like to lose a land for the sake of trading with another 2-power creature.

For Red, Ruinous Minotaur is not always amazing since you don't always want to lose lands. Shatterskull Giant is a better, more stable creature. At least you were right on the money with Plated Geopede, as it is one of the best creatures in the format. Highland Berserker and Goblin Shortcutter should be trading places. There are much fewer times that Berseker's ability is used rather than Shortcutter.

I was laughing when I saw you highly-picked Mire Blight, probably one of the worst cards to draft. Seriously, it's better than Hagra Crocodile and Soul Stair Expedition?! Blood Seeker and Surrakar Marauder should be trading places.

For white you rate Ondu Cleric too highly. It's a decent card in allies, but otherwise is not always a high pick. Skyfisher is a high pick simply for being a 2/3 flyer is enough, let alone its synergy with landfall or CIP abilities. Steppe Lynx is great in any aggressive white deck.

For artifacts, don't understimate Hedron Scrabbler. It's a low drop that is 2/2 most of the time and can block Intimidate creatures. It's a minor thing though.

[arki]

mas gusto ko kung c jt porter gagawa ng article about this subject.. no offense..

[mrrstn]

so separate drafts dapat for noobs (like me) and drafting pros? pano gagaling yung mga noobs kung walang gusto makipaglaro sa amin?

Malabo yung separate drafts, konti lang ang gusto magdraft satin, kung nagseparate pa di na makakabuo ng isang pod hehe.

hindi ba parang strategy din ung messing up someone else's draft?

an underhanded strategy, but it's still strategy nonetheless.

Most of the time, clueless lang talaga sa sariling niyang draft yung nag-me-mess up ng draft ng ibang tao. It happens. Yung iba di naman talaga nila sinasadya, its just that yung card evaluation nila e di pa ganon ka-ayos. sooner or later naman makukuha din yan.
If it were the strategy being employed, I should say that it is most likely flawed for several reasons:
you are drafting white, 3rd pack, may journey to nowhere or maybe a kor skyfisher, tapos alam mo na nagdradraft ng itim yung pinapasahan mo, may kasamang nighthawk yung pack na binuksan mo. Bakit mo naman kailangan kunin yung nighthawk? kasi gusto mo i-mess up yung draft ng katabi mo as a strategy? e you have 2 perfectly good picks. bakit, kasi malakas yung nighthawk at ayaw mo siyang magkaron ng card na ganun? remember, 8 kayong nagdradraft, sigurado bang magkakatapat kayo? kapag nagkatapat kayo, mabubunot ba niya yung nighthawk? kung nabunot nya, would the nighthawk still matter pa ba sa board kung may mga journey to nowhere ka naman? pero if you think na imba na yung deck na nabuo mo pagpasok ng pack 3, na hindi mo na kailangan ng pang-apat na journey to nowhere or pang-limang skyfisher, by all means, go for that nighthawk 

@ gaffud, while I may not agree on some of the pick orders(iba kasi yung nakagisnan kong strategy sa ZZZ draft hehe), nice article nonetheless. keep 'em coming.
btw, pano mo ginawa yung jpg file mo? isa isa pinagpatong mo yung cards tapos screenshot??? adik hehe

[ngphil]

On messing up someone else's draft.

Counter drafting is an over rated strategy.

Just look at it this way.  Get a card that will help you every match.  Counter Drafting is a bad idea.  You are not likely to match up against your seatmate in the first round.  If you lose the first round, because you sacrificed a good pick for your deck just to counter draft, it is unlikely for you to match up against the person with the bomb you let go anyway.

[xalwynx]

On messing up someone else's draft.

Counter drafting is an over rated strategy.

Just look at it this way.  Get a card that will help you every match.  Counter Drafting is a bad idea.  You are not likely to match up against your seatmate in the first round.  If you lose the first round, because you sacrificed a good pick for your deck just to counter draft, it is unlikely for you to match up against the person with the bomb you let go anyway.

wala lang, maybe you're just a douche who likes messing up drafts pag gagawin mo yun. haha. and i know some players na nagddraft to get cards na useable sa constructed but silly sa draft.

[arki]

On messing up someone else's draft.

Counter drafting is an over rated strategy.

Just look at it this way.  Get a card that will help you every match.  Counter Drafting is a bad idea.  You are not likely to match up against your seatmate in the first round.  If you lose the first round, because you sacrificed a good pick for your deck just to counter draft, it is unlikely for you to match up against the person with the bomb you let go anyway.

agree, if you will be nice to the person to your left and right, they will end up being nice to you too.

[cmdrjanjalani]

Counter-drafting is only a last resort if you really think there is nothing good in the pack for you. Rare-drafting is okay if the card you are getting is really worth a lot and pays for your draft in minor events. It would really be a high-stakes event before I would pick a Vampire Nighthawk over a fetchland. Problema kasi minsan some noobs just draft rare cards lang kahit crap just because nahihinayang sila magpass ng rare.

I would like to commend the article writer though for the creative way on arranging the picks, since it's easier to use a chart than reading through text. Of course, what you sacrificed is why you made those picks in the first place. It would have been good to add that part and then let the readers use the guide afterwards as a general guide. Unfortunately at the state it is in, it is not that good of a guide due to some highly questionable picks starting at the middle.

[xalwynx]

pero, you get boosters as a reward sa drafts if you win right? so rare hunting might not be a good option kung magaling ka na player cguro? haha. everyone should just play to win imo.

[kishindouji]

pero, you get boosters as a reward sa drafts if you win right? so rare hunting might not be a good option kung magaling ka na player cguro? haha. everyone should just play to win imo.

But there really are some who play only to raredraft, that is a fact.  Also, the packs that you get from winning doesn't guarantee you getting a fetchland unlike one that get passed to you during a draft.  Nasa tao nalang talaga yan kung pumunta siya dun para mag-draft, magenjoy or para pagkakitaan yung draft

@TS Nice article, though i'm not particularly experienced in drafting, I liked the idea that more people are encouraged to pass articles for us to read

[dodonpa]

So what if the colored dried up? Hate draft is the only way to go, you had your signals that the one your passing to is drafting black, and then you see the nighthawk, the only white card in there is caravan hurda, which for me is 13th pick(personal preference), I'd take the nighthawk anytime of the day, am I an a-hole for taking the nigthawk?