From the Vault Exiled.

[Frozencore]

it's funny how some people would immediately judge others who offer a counter argument, or an argument that somehow jives with ours as "blowing smoke at our behinds."

I have nothing against NG nor the people that side with you. The quote had words bolded just to demonstrate how people in forums bait or flame with subtlety. And it took a reply from me for you to notice it.

Anyway, let's stop arguing about this and accept the fact that this set is indeed gold, both in market value and perceived value.

[sprout]

pag binenta mu un laman nya.
hindi lang 7k makukuha mu dba?
ang tanong lang kung mabenta lahat. hehe.

hindi ko alam kung bakit ang dami ding namomroblema sa price nito e, cguro kasi nga gusto ibenta ng mas mataas -- e ang iniisip ko lang, sino ba bebentahan nyo? mga collectors din.

kung ako isang collector, hindi ba't naunahan ko na kayo at bumili narin ako nito (FTV: Exiled). So in the end wala din kayong mabebentahan.

Kung collector ka (as in sayong sayo lang yung mga baraha) bumili ka nito. kung ipapasa mo lang ng mas mataas, good luck nalang sayo.

opinion lang naman.

[cmdrjanjalani]

it's funny how some people would immediately judge others who offer a counter argument, or an argument that somehow jives with ours as "blowing smoke at our behinds."

I have nothing against NG nor the people that side with you. The quote had words bolded just to demonstrate how people in forums bait or flame with subtlety. And it took a reply from me for you to notice it.

Anyway, let's stop arguing about this and accept the fact that this set is indeed gold, both in market value and perceived value.

Wasn't trying to flame. If you don't believe that 100USD buying price is the maximum price, then good for you, you're not stupid. I may have misinterpreted your post so that would be stupid for my part. It's just funny to see people complaining and naively expecting getting this set at SRP when the entire world is already saying you can't.

I'm not exactly siding with NG. Just the fact that FTV: Exiled is not going to be easy to find or reachable to everyone. I just want to see that if we have something that we disagree with NG there is a more logical basis to it and not just swipe at them with prejudice since it would be easy for you to be shot down. For me, FTV: Exiled is something I won't buy. I can't afford the set by itself, nor I am interested in getting the packages. I'm not even a Vintage/Legacy player so none of the card are a priority. The only way I'll probably get this is paying for the singles I am interested in or winning in the upcoming Open the Vaults tourneys.

[Frozencore]

I rest my case.

[doods21]

i dont get it...ano pinagkaiba ng package 5 & 6? typo?

[ngphil]

pag binenta mu un laman nya.
hindi lang 7k makukuha mu dba?
ang tanong lang kung mabenta lahat. hehe.

hindi ko alam kung bakit ang dami ding namomroblema sa price nito e, cguro kasi nga gusto ibenta ng mas mataas -- e ang iniisip ko lang, sino ba bebentahan nyo? mga collectors din.

kung ako isang collector, hindi ba't naunahan ko na kayo at bumili narin ako nito (FTV: Exiled). So in the end wala din kayong mabebentahan.

Kung collector ka (as in sayong sayo lang yung mga baraha) bumili ka nito. kung ipapasa mo lang ng mas mataas, good luck nalang sayo.

opinion lang naman.

Ayun na eksakto mo.  I think people were expecting to make a killing the moment we sold it at SRP over the counter.

Just for clarification 24 lang ang darating nito sa atin.  So bahala na.  Pag napikon ako pa pa auction ko na lang baka mas malaki pa makuha ko. j/k

The offer stands though we stop accepting orders the moment we reach the limit.

[ngphil]

i dont get it...ano pinagkaiba ng package 5 & 6? typo?

Conflux intro pack box or Alara Reborn intro pack box.  They are different.

[ng_des]

I have been away for a long time and was just flagged to check this thread.  I admire the patience that ngphil has so far shown here (of course kakampihan ko sya).

Before I left, the daily questions were "kelan ang dating ng FTV? magkano ang FTv?" etc etc.

When we were given the rules on ordering FTV by WotC, hindi pumasa sa akin ang rules nila.  It would amount to someone buying almost 20k pesos worth of products before you get one.  We had to think of a deal that would be acceptable to WotC and would be less ridiculous to market.

The talks lasted for around 2 weeks before any agreement can be reached.

Had I known that we would be perceived negatively and called so many unpleasant things, dapat di ko na pinakialaman yung unang deal. Not that nagbabalat-sibuyas ako, pero minsan, it's far too easy for everyone to hide behind the veil of a computer monitor, react to high heavens, call everyone else by unfair names, and leave unsavory remarks.  I am betting that these same people cannot (and will not) tell me the same things in exactly the same way as they have written in the forums.

@Frozencore (8/30/2009): “But if you're getting your stock from WOTC, how come it's $156.25
 up front?” Because we don’t get it for free, we had to buy a whole lot of products to get one.    You saw Php7500 and your eyes stopped there.  Why did you not go all the way down to the other packages and question us why we are selling some deals at ridiculous prices?  You focus solely on issues that will conveniently stir up anger.

@nldp (8/31/2009): “I definitely agree with this one. Even Evan Erwin said it's around 40 dollars. So bakit 7500 satin yang Exiled. And btw, bakit hindi nagpapre order? About dun sa reasons stated kung bakit alang pre order, you could have done something if you wanted to solve the problem. KAsi you don't know kung ilang ang makukuha niyo? tas ngaun na may nakuha kayo ipapasa niyo ng 7500 or gagawin niyong paraan para mabenta yung mga booster box niyo na hindi naman namin gusto? At bakit hanggang ngaun ay wala pa ding m10 boxes? Ayokong isipin na iniipit niyo ang m10 boxes para lang maubos ang Ibang boxes niyo na hindi niyo na mabenta pero my intellect tells me otherwise. Alam po ba ng wizards yang mga pinaggagagawa niyo? Kung yung iba po ay napapaikot niyo ang ulo, wag po ninyong lahatin. and kung sinasabi niyo na crazy thing to do na ibenta sa 40 dollars yun, baka nakakalimutan niyo na kayo ang distributor ng items ng Wizards dito sa Pinas so dapat di kayo ang bumibili ng lahat nun. Kug may kalaban kayo na ibang distributor mabenta niyo pa kaya yan ng 7500? I doubt. Sa inyo lang naman kasi dumadaan ang product kaya kayo nagdidictate ng prices eh. Wag naman maxadong gahaman. Dapat malaman ng Wizards to ASAP.”
Mahaba ito and yet I won’t back out from answering every question you post.  Ang galling galling mo eh.  Bakit sa atin 7500 ang FTV?  Good news for you, we get it for FREE! Yes! For FREE! And yes, before anyone turns green with envy, the FREE deal comes only if we (Neutral Grounds) order so much of the other OLDER stuff.  Again READ my last sentence, it says IF WE ORDER, not if we ORDERED.  We are not trying to burn your pockets with our old products, we are being made to order old products to get FTV.  Kung meron gustong tagalugin ko pa ito, pakisabi na lang.
We don’t know ilan makukuha naming.  Of course alam naming ang Allocation ng Pilipinas.  That was made very very clear from the start.  What we don’t know is how much the Philipppine market would order given the parameters set upon us.  So, hindi na namin alam. Ok? Mukhang simple at malinaw na siguro ang sagot na yan.
Yung booster boxes na hindi ninyo gusto? Read the preceding paragraphs.  Sa tingin mo may magagawa kami?  We are working in a system where there are rules to be followed.
You were the one who said it. Neutral Grounds is the Distributor.  Won’t it look so stupid kung iipitin namin ang M10? The reason we’re here is to DISTRIBUTE, not HOARD.  To even think of the stupidity of hoarding is downright illogical.  We’ve been the WotC distributor for almost a decade now because we are good at distributing what is available.  Hindi kami ang printer, kami ang distributor.  Malinaw ba ang distinction?  What irks me most is that we work our butts off “behind the scenes” to get the products in, going as far as asking for products from other WotC offices that are not supposed to service the Philippines just so we have products in these shores.  We are being serviced by Hasbro Singapore, but I’ve nagged other Hasbro offices for products, which I should not do, but I do nevertheless.
If your intellect tells you otherwise, then my friend, that intellect needs to think a bit more.  Masyadong maiksi at baluktot ang pag-iisip mo.  I don’t mean to let you down and YES I’LL STILL TELL YOU THAT STATEMENT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE.  Read the paragraph above to see why we cannot and will not hoard anything.
Wala kaming pinapaikot na ulo.  We are not in here to make a quick buck.  We’re here for the long haul  Again, we don’t even say that FTV is $5 or $50 or $500.  However, we are not a Charity institution.  We (NG the distributor) will only have access to FTV if we make a new order of such and such…  Correct, kami dapat bumili nun. Pero isang libo’t isang katangahan kung itatambak namin sa bodega naming para ipamigay ang FTV. Kung gusto mong gawin yan at maging bayani, fine, but we’re not about to sink the company.
Kung may kalaban kaming distributor?  They’ll fall off their chairs because the 7500 deal is a loss.  They’ll complain with WotC na iniipit naming sila.  Bakit? From our point of view, the biggest losing deal is the 7500 deal.  Why? Kahit anong compute ko hindi namin mababawi ang totoong cost to acquire the FTV on the 7500 deal.  That simple.  Again, if you need a direct translation in the vernacular, let me know.  
Yes, sa amin lang talaga lahat dumadaan ang products, pati mga illegal importer napilitang dumaan sa amin kasi idedemanda sila ng WotC pag meron silang ibang pagkukunan.  Read again … ang WotC ang magdedemanda at hindi kami.
Kung sobrang asar na asar ka, then don’t forget to complain with WotC, aside from the FTV eto pa: Complain why we sell Magic boosters at under $3.50 per pack, eh dapat $3.99 yun.  Also, complain why entrance fees at prereleases are just $20, eh dapat mga $25 yun.. hanap ka pa ng maco-complain para naman mas substantial at may impact.
Let’s remove the spotlight on you.. marami pang gusto maging bida eh.
@karaxu: “ganun mang smak na lang kami”
Take the context of the complaints listed.  Hindi ba pang-smaker yan?
@seshirure: “no  chance at all na makabili ang mga tulad nming student lang...”
I can honestly say we tried to make a case for those on a budget.  But in the end they have their rules, the product is theirs, and we’re left with implementing what is given to us.
To nldp and karaxu:  I invite you to show up at Galleria on the weekend of September 12, bring a copy of my post and check if I am WOMAN enough to tell you IN YOUR FACES exactly what I posted.  I’d like to see if you are MEN (or whatever, since I don’t know you) enough to complain and bash Neutral Grounds in my face.  I’m not picking a fight, I am just trying to prove na marami ang malakas ang loob pag ang tinititigan ay ang isang walang kalaban-laban na monitor. Masarap magtago sa likod ng computer.  Let’s see you take it on personally. Talk to me.

At the end of the day, walang personalan ito.  The reason why I even posted an answer is to provide an even ground.  You bash publicly, I answer publicly.  However I would also like to prove that the internet has provided a veil of anonymity. Kilala ninyo sino si ngphil at ng_des.  Eh sino nga ba si nldp at karaxu?  That’s where the grounds become uneven.  That is why I dare you to complain straight to my face and get a straight answer.  

[karaxu]

I have already accepted the reasons posted here. no need for that sir.
My primary concern was about the M10 boosters not being available.

M10 was so popular so stocks are gone I understand now.

[wangbu]

in my opinion, bottom line here is that this particular product is not intended for everyone

hindi lahat ng player, vintage o legacy ang laro

hindi nmn kelangan na naka-bling silang lahat

collectors items to e... parang kotse, bili kana lang ng 2nd hand o ng toyota kesa sa audi, pareho lang may makina yun na magagamit mo e

whether NG is hoarding or not, di dapat complain mga tao... business yun e... risk nila kung maiipit sa kanila yun dahil sa taas ng presyo... di nga lahat ng players sa NG bumibili e...

isipin nyo na lang kung masyado madami yang FTV:ex, edi wala din yang presyo gaano... example ko lang yung cryptic na rewards o yung PTE na gateway... dami e di ba? edi bagask presyo... parang gumawa ka ng replica ng painting ni da vinci na madami imbes na nag-iisa lang sya... malamang walang presyo yun di ba

eto pa, kung mas mababa price nyan, malamang tig-aapat na binili ng mga may kaya... baka hindi lang...

i dont think na thay intend na taasan ang price para maka-smak, lalo silawala kikitain pag tumagal sa kanila yung product... pag naipit pa yun e wala silang pang puhunan sa Zendikar... paano na tayo sa PR?

hindi lang talaga intended ang lahat ng products para sa lahat ng tao, yun lang yun

mag normal cards na lang tayo sa vintage/legacy, sa diskarte mo parin matatalo yung mga naka-FTV foils...

wag nyo pag-sarahin NG mga pre, i dont think merong proprietor na kayang pumalit sa kanila... baka mawalan ng Magic (among other games) dito sa pinas...

Go team PH sa worlds! baka sakaling dumami na ang allocation dito satin pag narealize ng ng WotC na madami nang players dito

[kabards]

mgnda yan lalo na berserk foil pa cya.. tpos benta mo sa market 10k each kung may bbli 

[ghofigjong]

kahit saang NG store po ba pede umorder?

[ngphil]

yes but last day is today.

[ghofigjong]

sir kelan po to makukuha if I ordered today?

[ngphil]

well if you were within the first 24 to order you can get it by this weekend.  pag hindi we'll see we either refund you or we look for some more some where.